Answering Laurence Vance

I write this piece to answer the libertarian leftist Laurence Vance’s smear piece against me. An article for what it is worth has only brought 143 visitors to my blog, as of this writing. For a man, who is supposedly an authority on all things libertarian; not to mention all things Austrian economics —That my friend is quite amusing, I guess Lew Rockwell and company are legends in their own minds — at best.

I will not sit here and pick apart this entire ridiculous article, which is filled with in inaccuracies about me, who I listen to in talk radio, and all the other silly assumptions that those of the idiotic leftist mentality believe about us, who happen to respect and support our Military. Nevertheless, I will correct this leftist imbecile on some issues.

First off, whom or what I listen to on television: I guess Mr. Vance assumes that Fox News Network in my Television when I am awake. This is a gross fallacy; I only watch Fox News during the daytime; that is, if and when, I decide to turn the blasted thing on. I think I may watch an hour of Television at most, as for during the opinion hour at night, the only person I can stomach on Fox News is, in fact, is Bill O’Reilly. I find Sean Hannity most annoying. Why is that? Because Sean Hannity is a water carrier, a talk points repeater. Quite bluntly, Sean Hannity is an idiotic gasbag — Not to mention he looks and dresses like a closeted gay twink. Sean Hannity is, in fact, a Republican. He spouts Republican talking points — all the while claiming to be a Libertarian. One thing I can tell you, Sean Hannity is not a libertarian, he is not even close. Even I, the most hawkish man in the blogosphere can tell you that. Sean Hannity, to me, represents the Bush-era Fox News. Which has since changed, they stopped with the stupid Bush-era talking points and moved on. Sean Hannity, well, not so much. As for Limbaugh, I respect the man for building such a large business around his, well, ego. However, I do not listen to him on a regular basis, and I will tell you why. Rush Limbaugh strikes me as someone who is love with his own voice — something that I find most highly annoying. Therefore, I do not listen to Rush Limbaugh for that reason. Like anyone else, I catch the clips online when he says or does something remarkably stupid. As for Glenn Beck, Beck peddles paranoia; I am not much into that sort of a thing really. Glenn Back believes that communism is still a real threat. I disagree; I believe that radical socialism is a real threat. However, staunch communism is not and has not been for many years — McCarthy saw to that little feat — and yes there is a big difference between socialism and communism, it even says this on the communist party USA’s website. I ought to know, I did look it up. I do not make a habit of yowling about things that I have no clue about, unlike some in this idiotic political blogosphere.

Therefore, yes, I do watch Bill O’Reilly; why, you ask — Because Bill O’Reilly is fair and yes, balanced. Anyone who actually watches his show knows that Bill does not carry water for the President, ever. Bill also is fair to the President; he does not just hate President Obama, because he is a socialist, much to the chagrin of those on the far right. Bill O’Reilly, like me, has a strong disliking of the socialist far left. This is because we both happen to know that socialism is a threat to the free capitalistic system in this country — this is why I respect the man. Another thing that made me begin to watch him at Bill O’Reilly was the fact that he stopped the policy of shutting people’s microphones off, that disagreed with him. I noticed that he was doing that, and because of this, I refused to watch O’Reilly. As much as I disagree with much of what the left has to say; I do believe that anyone in this Country, as long as they are not planning to overthrow or cause harm to anyone in this Nation, have the right to freedom of speech. This is what got Senator Joseph McCarthy into a great deal of trouble, this is why people like William Buckley Jr. and L. Brent Bozell Jr. (not to be confused with his son, Brent Bozell III) abandoned McCarthy. Because McCarthy wanted to exert thought police on the American people, that which is, sadly, a tactic of the far left. Because O’Reilly abandoned this practice of shutting microphones off, I began to watch him. I also starting watching Fox News and frankly stopped watching CNN and MSNBC because of the blatant partisanship of MSNBC and to a lesser extent CNN. I am all for a diversity of opinion, but when you actually stoop to the level of insulting your viewers, that is when I decided that the bus stopped here and I got off. (So to speak)

Getting back to the subject at hand here, Laurence Vance also accuses me of not being able to separate the Military from the Government. Which is most amusing, because his posting at Lew Rockwell’s Blog; he accuses the Military of occupying Iraq, which was done on the orders of the George W. Bush Administration — Which is something I pointed out in one of my previous postings. Therefore, to Mr. Vance I say — Project much, friend? But then again, when talking to a leftist, one can only expect so much — because to them, up is down and left is right, and the world is a very bizarre place; which is why I tend to avoid reasoning with them. After all, the Bible says; “If any man be ignorant, let them be ignorant” and I do try to follow the Bible as much as I possibly can.

While I am on the subject of Iraq, I feel the need to clear something up. If Mr. Vance or anyone else happens to believe that I am some sort of a Bush-supporting Republican, please be advised that this about as far from the truth that one can get. I did not vote for President George. W. Bush, at all, either time. During that time, I was firmly in the Democratic Party column. This pre-dated my blogging days. I was a left of center — albeit quite the “half-assed left of center,” but I digress. Further, I did support the Iraq war, until the reports came out and the White House admitted that they were wrong about Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. In fact, it was that little incident, that triggered me to start blogging in February of 2006 as a “left of center” blogger. I will explain the reasons why I switched sides for another posting, as this one is getting very long.

Finally, to answer Mr. Vance’s charge of being a “Red State Fascist” — If loving America and in loving America; knowing that in order to maintain the peace requires strength. If knowing that the United States Military is a valued treasure in this Country and should be highly respected — If wanting to see the United States of America protected from terrorists; both foreign and domestic, makes me a Red State Fascist — I plead the only thing I that I will ever plead to a charge as this — guilty as charged.

May God Bless the United States of America and May God Bless the United States Armed Forces. Further more, Thank God for our Military and Thank God for the privilege of being able to debate those who I disagree with, without the fear of being criminally persecuted for it. We live in a wonderful Nation and I will always defend her from those who would want to slander her. I feel that it is the most that I can do.

31 Replies to “Answering Laurence Vance”

    1. Fred,

      I am not sure why you went to the spam heap. Sometimes’s Askimet does that.

      Anyhow, feel free to comment. if I see your comment in there, I will fix it.

      -Pat

    1. That’s because I deleted the user accounts. I decided not to go that route, too much of a pain in the butt and the automated sign up bots always show up.

      -Pat

  1. Correction sir, he did not accuse you of being “unable to seperate the government from the military,” rather he adeptly pointed out “He equates the U.S. government and military with the country,” and “He sees everything in terms of a left/right paradigm.”

    Vance is a libertarian in the classical liberal sense: opposed to the welfare state, opposed to interventionism, and opposed to empire and war, supporting laissez-faire, and individual rights.

    Calling him a leftist anti-American is very amusing, and this whole exchange, including your complete non sequitur response, sputtering on childishly about which talks show hosts you like has been a perfect illustration of the total bankruptcy and worthlessness of the modern “conservative” movement.

      1. I read Rockwell pretty regular, but tend to stick to the foreign papers and blogs (UK, Australia, Asia Times, etc.) for my news (as it tends to be the best reporting) and I’m a bit confused. Actually I’m not confused at all. Your definition of ‘leftist’ (as it is to any warhawk) is anyone that doesn’t support the continued failure of a foreign policy that Bush, and now Obama, are embroiled in (namely Iraq, Afghanistan, and unfortunately in the near future possibly Iran).

        As it always will be unfortunately, your lesson will not be learned until the policy you advocate fails. It will. Centuries of history, not ‘leftism’, tells us it will. Just as Democrats have the blindspot of welfare, you have the blindspot of warfare. There are many non-interventionist conservatives out there that vote. And our ranks are growing. I speak with friends, mostly former supporters of George’s Folly, who now are quite apologetic of their earlier positions as they see what you cannot, or refuse to, see.

        For the record, I don’t ‘hate’ the military. I have several friends in the military. And not one of them see the purpose anymore with US foreign policy. Frankly most of them, when they are honest with themselves, ever could.

        1. You are, in fact, entitled to your opinion sir and I thank you for expressing it without insulting me.

          (See guys, I do approve them, when they are not insulting.)

  2. @Patrick;
    ” If knowing that the United States Military is a valued treasure in this Country and should be highly respected — If wanting to see the United States of America protected from terrorists; both foreign and domestic, makes me a Red State Fascist — I plead the only thing I that I will ever plead to a charge as this — guilty as charged.”

    That is all well and good. But what if it turns out that invading Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan (and now Yemen, and soon, Iran)are not just mistakes? What if they are deliberate policy choices? The CIA has documented the concept of “blowback”. So it isn’t the case that the military establishment does not understand that what you refer to as terrorism is simply a reaction to the US military’s actions, which always follow political policy. Your disagreement with Vance seems to center around your view that the US military establishment is a just, moral, politically neutral, purely defensive force. This is a manifestly false view. The US military recieves all if its funding from one source, the US government. Therefore it is simply a tool at the disposal of whomever controls that government. Just think about that for a second. Then ask yourself the question; If Obama is supposed to be a socialist, why is he increasing the size and budget of the military? Is it because he is not really a socialist? (I think the evidence is rather clear that he is.)Or is it because he isn’t really in charge?

    1. If Obama is supposed to be a socialist, why is he increasing the size and budget of the military? Is it because he is not really a socialist? (I think the evidence is rather clear that he is.)Or is it because he isn’t really in charge?

      Alex Jones, Call your office! 😛

      1. What makes you think leftists don’t increase the size of the military? Shall I name a few leftists who did? Franklin Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson, Stalin, Hitler (A National Socialist or NAZI) Blair.

        1. What makes you think leftists don’t increase the size of the military? Shall I name a few leftists who did? Franklin Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson, Stalin, Hitler (A National Socialist or NAZI) Blair.

          I never said they didn’t. FDR did have a good reason though, we were attacked by Japan.

          LBJ and Vietnam, to me, are another matter entirely. Vietnam; looking back, was an tragic error. Kennedy got us into that stupidity. Thankfully Ford got us out.

  3. If you find the heat filled and dim lit Bill O’ politically stimulating, try “Freedom Watch” with Judge Andrew Napolitano. Outside of the Judge’s superior thinking capabilities, reasonable viewpoints and principled core beliefs, you’ll never pine for the fact-less Factor again.

  4. I’m a Vietnam era veteran, remember the Gulf of Tonkin big lie,the domino theory,and recall the hatred and scorn heaped on members of the military by the antiwar movement. I joined the military to avoid the draft and combat duty and it was during this time that I begin to see war for the racket it is. Now we have come to the point where to criticize the military is being equated with treason. As a libertarian I believe that I’m responsible for my actions and therefore should carefully think things out before acting. Anyone joining the military should carefully consider the consequences of their choice. If someone joins the military out of a misguided sense of patriotism, that in no way compels me to shut up about the folly of the warfare state. History is not on the side of those who advocate wars of aggression based on economic considerations.

  5. I would like to make two points.

    1.Sir, you should read more about fascistic ideology, maybe then you will start to realize that Bill O’Reilly is a very good fascist.

    2.Read a book “War is a Racket: The Antiwar Classic by America’s Most Decorated Soldier” – Smedley D. Butler.

    1. 1.Sir, you should read more about fascistic ideology, maybe then you will start to realize that Bill O’Reilly is a very good fascist.

      You wouldn’t know a fucking fascist, if it smacked you in the fucking head — you moronic twit. 😡

      2.Read a book “War is a Racket: The Antiwar Classic by America’s Most Decorated Soldier” – Smedley D. Butler.

      I don’t read leftist bullshit.

      NEXT! 😛

  6. I think you are dangerously close to all out idolatry in these posts.
    Let me attempt some correction:
    Protecting America from terrorists — good thing
    Fanning the flames of terror by occupying their lands by force for decades — bad thing. America is not Old Testament Israel.
    Borrowing money from China to occupy foreign countries — bad thing. The borrower is slave to the lender.
    Printing money (counterfeiting) to fund an empire — bad thing, look in the Bible also see: Roman Empire.
    Lying to support war — bad thing, look in the Bible.
    Worshipping America & the military — idolatry — bad thing, see 1st commandment. Praying that America’s leaders ask God for guidance — good thing.
    God bless America? — good. God bless everyone in the world? — better.
    I assume you are a christian.
    Where does Jesus advocate killing or war to further his kingdom?
    As one who revers God, you should ask yourself: Is America great because of the military or because of God only? Before answering, remember God does not share His glory with anyone.

    I see nothing on your site talking of humbling yourself in God’s sight, brokenness, humility, service to others, living right and salvation as the only way — these are basics of Jesus’ teachings.

    Release yourself from nationalism and do more to further the kingdom of God.

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