A Libertarian Lefty Attacks me….

Some libertarian leftist slams me on a blog, that brought 40 whole readers over here… :roll:

Anyhow… here’s what the Anarchist wrote:

looks like Lew Rockwell’s strategy of printing non-anarchist essays snagged a state-lover. When Lew showed his true nature, anti-state, this person thought he was being anti-American. Hey, Pat. I love my country, but I hate your government. And so does Lew. When you’re ready to stop pointing guns at people over every little thing, we can talk. But I’m not going to close comments on my blog, like you did on yours. Afraid of a little debate, eh?

via WTF?: Starting to really wonder about Lew Rockwell’s Blog | End the War on Freedom.

3 years ago, when I first started blogging; I would have ripped this person a new one. But seeing that I am a bit more refined than this guy. I will simple answer the questions.

  1. No, I am not a Statist.
  2. If you so hate this Government; which is an extension of this country; so much, why don’t you leave? Nothing is keeping you here.
  3. I will stop pointing Guns at people, when people like the Islamic Terrorists, (I know, Islamic, Terrorist = Redundancy)   that you lefties just love to death, stop trying to kill people.

The whole problem with you lefty anarchists is this, you love chaos, and that chaos is used to forum a vacuum; which is quickly filled by big Government. Which I totally despise. Kinda like I despise the Socialism of your Democratic Cousins. (Again, Democrats, Socialism = Redundancy)

The problem with the puritan stance on the Libertarian foreign policy is that it is rooted in flawed thinking and conspiracy theory. Hence the reason that Ron Paul looked like a damn buffoon. He is absolutely right on Iran and So are you. I give you that; but Afghanistan is another story. Those bastards that flew those planes into the trade centers were not Jews, Not Christians, not anything, but Muslims, Islamic men. Terrorists? The whole damn religion is a religion of war.

The whole idea, that according to the Libertarian idea of foreign policy is that if we are attacked, we should just sit and take it and not do nothing; is idiotic at best. Hence the reason I am not involved in that party, in a formal manner.  I agree with the principles of free enterprise and capitalism. But that party loses me, when they beginning to speak of the federal Government in conspiratorial terms. I just do not believe that the Government is smart enough to do anything, like they believe that it does; much less keep it a secret.

Also, let me say another thing. Libertarians; especially those of the Libertarian left or anarchists is this. They hate our Country and it’s form of lawful Government. In the name of so-called freedom, they commit acts of, yes, terrorism. To further their political agenda. Kind of like Bill Ayers. Yes, that is correct, I said it. Al-Aqaeda and the Libertarian left have much in common. They both hate our Country and our values system, our freedom and our Capitalist system.  It was this same attitude that was on the mind of those who flew those planes into the trade centers. It is a sad thing to say, but it is the truth.

Admittedly, there have been times, when the Federal Government has overstepped it’s bounds. I have blogged about many instances where this has happened. That is why you have Conservatives and Right-libertarians, like myself, who have blogs, like me, that throw up the red flag and bring this sort of nonsense to the attention of the American people. This causes the Government, like in recent times to go, “Ooops! Our Bad!” and make changes to correct those mistakes. This is why people like me believe that big Government is BAD GOVERNMENT! Because of it’s tendency to make very stupid and sometimes horrific mistakes. Case in point; Waco, Ruby Ridge, and so on….

In fact, anyone that has read this blog, more than just coming and read one entry knows; that I am totally anti-centralized Government.  In fact, I, like many of my Southern Paleo-Conservatives believe that Abraham Lincoln was a traitor. Not because he freed the slaves; but because he introduced a centralized form of Government. Not to mention the form of barbarism or as it called today; Terrorism that he inflicted on the south, in a war; that was not even fought remotely fair.

Having said all that……. I did answer his accusations of me not wanting a debate. I do close comments here after 10 days. Because I hate getting comments about something that I wrote like, a year ago and have go back and see what they heck they are talking about. Running a blog is all about being current and fresh. Not about harping on the past. Hence the reason they automatically close. I think he wants a blog fight or a argument. I just don’t desire to debate people that I disagree with; it doesn’t change a damn thing. All it does is cause problems, and I just do not need it, nor want it.

49 thoughts on “A Libertarian Lefty Attacks me….

  1. Interesting that you see me as a left-libertarian. I’m an L. Neil Smith libertarian. I believe in the Zero Aggression Principle (ZAP). If you don’t, you’re no kind of libertarian. If you do, you are.

    Thing is. ZAP pretty much implies anarcho-capitalism. It most assuredly forbids taxation. Or the drug war. Or any kind of mandatory licensing or registration.

    I don’t see the world as a bunch of governments, or religions, or social clubs, where an attack by one member of the club justifies killing the wives and children of other members of the club. I see it as a bunch of individuals, some of whom, like the police, are members of tight-knit gangs that might make it necessary to go to war on the whole gang were I to successfully defend myself from an attack by one of them.

    Are the Afghanis such a gang? I don’t know. I sincerely doubt it, however. Is there any such thing as al-Queda, except as a device to frighten Americans into giving up their individual sovereignty? I don’t know. I doubt you do either. Did a small group of Muslims fly airplanes into the World Trade Center towers? I don’t know. I doubt you do either. Unless you were there. And actually saw it happen. But that still wouldn’t tell you who the pilots were.

    So why are you so gung-ho on attacking people half a world away? Are you likely to kill your neighbor because you read a story in the newspaper claiming that he’s a bad man?

    But I think we’re closer together in opinions than I thought when I wrote my blog entry. Cut the love it or leave it crap, and we might even get along.

    America is NOT the federal government. We need to SAVE America from that gang of liars, theives, and murderers.

    Oh, when I talked about pointing guns at people over every little thing, I wasn’t talking about justified self defense. That’s when you SHOULD point guns at people. I was talking about the fact that America’s legal system puts the death penalty on traffic tickets. You’ll likely think that’s ridiculous, but that’s the bottom line of EVERY “law”. Obey or we’ll fine you. Pay or we’ll arrest you. Come along or we’ll force you. Don’t defend yourself from our kidnapping or we’ll kill you. Every “law” points a gun at your head.

  2. Government=/=State=/=Nation/Country; Government=/=Nation/Country.

    Anyone who is for a state, no matter how small, is a statist – albeit a “minor/small” statist; regardless, they are still a statist all in the same.

    • *regardless of the size of a state the given statist advocates, they are still a statist all in the same.*

      lulz

      • Nice. Make a sexual suggestive statement, when discussing politics. Such immaturity.

        Got a good mind to ban you just for that.

        and believe me, I control this whole thing. I can stop it anytime I wish. So, keep tightening the noose, ya Lefty Loon.

        • Honestly, I didn’t even notice that until you said something about it; for, I was just editing my post and I was laughing at myself. Who has the dirty mind, hmm?

          “I control this whole thing. I can stop it anytime I wish. So, keep tightening the noose, ya Lefty Loon.”

          NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          You still haven’t contradicted me…..

          • Wait, I am not sure if I got where you were coming from with the whole sexual suggestion thing, was it the size thing or….?

  3. You think libertarians are pacifists? You think you are not a statist? You are not familiar with legal realism (hence, anarchy = chaos)? Nice anti-Islam shpiel by the way.

    I welcome ideas from all sides, but your principles are so inconsistent…

    • Yeah, so, why do you continue to read here? Jackass.

      Don’t like what I wrote. Don’t read it. A simple solution. Works very well.

      • I’d avoid reading it, and I wouldn’t care about it, if you and/or your readers didn’t support coercing me into what you want, using the democratic system.

        • This is the second blog by him I’ve ever read, probably going to be the last or close to last one I read. I mean lol, this guy doesn’t know the difference between state, government, and nation/country. Oh, oh, oh, paint me red because I am an Strong Atheist/Theological Non-Cognitivist too! Seriously, I didn’t know nationalism came in this strand.

          “If you so hate this Government [State?]; which is an extension of this country; so much, why don’t you leave? Nothing is keeping you here.”

          DARN IT THOMAS JEFFERSON/BEN FRANKLIN/GEORGE WASHINGTON/JOHN ADAMS/SAM ADAMS/ET CETERA, IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE BRITISH COLONIES SO MUCH, WHY DON’T YOU LEAVE? NOTHING IS KEEPING YOU HERE!

    • Dumbass eh? Congrads. You just earned yourself a permanent ban from this Blog. Don’t even know you and you’re going to come into my place and pull that bullshit. Not in this lifetime sweetheart.

      Anyone else wanna fuck with me today? Because trust me, I am in that frame of mind right about now.

        • Well, guess what? I just banned you too! Because I fucking can.

          Dickheaded assholes. Don’t like my blog, don’t come here. But don’t came here and act like some dickwad and think you’re going to get away with it… Because you ain’t.

          • I’d love to ignore you, but it’s assholes like you that attempt to force your views onto me via the political system.

            Go ahead and ban me, if it’s so much fun for you.

            • I’ve never forced a damn thing on you. So, I dunno where you get that from.

              …..and if our political system so bothers you, why do you just leave the country?

              I’m sure north Korea would have you or possibly Russia or maybe even Iran.

    • Thank you. Just because I don’t agree with Libertarian lefties, doesn’t make me any less of a Conservative or a Libertarian.

      Anyone else pulls that shit, I’m just going to ban your fucking IP.

      -Pat

    • I prefer being civil, but this guy obviously a)doesn’t want to argue/debate, b) want to hear other opinions and try to examine them, and c)doesn’t want to be civil towards others. I must really question this persons intelligence for their actions and throwing around distasteful words – so quickly and in such an uncivil manner – and for being racist, but maybe that is just me.

      P.S. The proper term is Left Libertarian, but I am probably typing all of this in vain, and with the hopes that they are not a gigantic bigot.

        • I find most forms of “identity” politics to be absurd, but I still don’t see what makes a “minority” with an attitude any different from a “majority” (whatever these terms really mean) with an attitude unless you are under the impression that they use their minority positions – be it by race, color, creed, sexuality, et cetera – as only a mere justification for their position – the same can be said for the “majority” too, in my humble opinion.

  4. Anyhow, She’s history. I banned her. She just wanted to argue. I didn’t start this blog for petty arguments.

    The stupid digs got old, so, I shit canned her. Hope her little Minority ass finds someone else to argue with.

    Because this white bread ain’t interested.

    -Pat

  5. -shakes head-

    But I can’t leave this farm. I have to ask mommy master government’s permission to leave and then get permission from another mommy master government to take residence on their farm (country).

    Hmm rule of law? The only rule one needs is you don’t inflict coercion onto another’s life, liberty, and property. That’s all you need. Simple as that.

  6. “The whole problem with you lefty anarchists is this, you love chaos, and that chaos is used to forum a vacuum; which is quickly filled by big Government. Which I totally despise. Kinda like I despise the Socialism of your Democratic Cousins. (Again, Democrats, Socialism = Redundancy)”

    I doubt you will find any radical libertarian or anarchist who really “loves chaos”. In fact, true order doesn’t come from state fiat; it emerges naturally when people interact peacefully for mutual benefit. This applies to every aspect of society, including law and governance.

    “The problem with the puritan stance on the Libertarian foreign policy is that it is rooted in flawed thinking and conspiracy theory. Hence the reason that Ron Paul looked like a damn buffoon. He is absolutely right on Iran and So are you. I give you that; but Afghanistan is another story. Those bastards that flew those planes into the trade centers were not Jews, Not Christians, not anything, but Muslims, Islamic men. Terrorists? The whole damn religion is a religion of war.”

    So the solution to terrorism is… more foreign interventionism? Ignoring the fact that militant Islam has been strengthened by the backlash against Western (first British, and then American) imperialism and nation-building over the past century? A consistent application of libertarian principles leads to non-interventionism in foreign affairs, just as it does in domestic ones.

    “Also, let me say another thing. Libertarians; especially those of the Libertarian left or anarchists is this. They hate our Country and it’s form of lawful Government. In the name of so-called freedom, they commit acts of, yes, terrorism. To further their political agenda. Kind of like Bill Ayers. Yes, that is correct, I said it. Al-Aqaeda and the Libertarian left have much in common. They both hate our Country and our values system, our freedom and our Capitalist system. It was this same attitude that was on the mind of those who flew those planes into the trade centers. It is a sad thing to say, but it is the truth.”

    What does “hate our Country” mean? If you mean the Leviathan state in D.C., than yes, this is true. And if government truly derives from the consent of the people, how is the current government of the US “lawful”? How have I, or anyone else for that matter, consented to be taxed and regulated by a bunch of bureaucrats who don’t even know me?

    And the comparison to Al-Quaeda is weak. How many acts of violence against innocents have been commited by left-libertarians (or any libertarians)? Somewhere in the general vicinity of zero, I’d hazard to guess.

    Also, I realize that this is your blog, and I am probably out of place in saying this, but: seriously, learn to be civil. What goes around comes around.

    “Admittedly, there have been times, when the Federal Government has overstepped it’s bounds. I have blogged about many instances where this has happened. That is why you have Conservatives and Right-libertarians, like myself, who have blogs, like me, that throw up the red flag and bring this sort of nonsense to the attention of the American people. This causes the Government, like in recent times to go, “Ooops! Our Bad!” and make changes to correct those mistakes. This is why people like me believe that big Government is BAD GOVERNMENT! Because of it’s tendency to make very stupid and sometimes horrific mistakes. Case in point; Waco, Ruby Ridge, and so on…”

    The understatement of the century. Also, I can’t think of any time off the top of my head where the US government has made changes to correct it’s “mistakes”, unless it was in their own favor.

    • So the solution to terrorism is… more foreign interventionism? Ignoring the fact that militant Islam has been strengthened by the backlash against Western (first British, and then American) imperialism and nation-building over the past century? A consistent application of libertarian principles leads to non-interventionism in foreign affairs, just as it does in domestic ones.

      I will give you this point. Yes, that is why September 11’th happened. The Neo-Conservative do not see that at all. They just see it as Terrorists hate us, ect.

      And the comparison to Al-Quaeda is weak. How many acts of violence against innocents have been commited by left-libertarians (or any libertarians)? Somewhere in the general vicinity of zero, I’d hazard to guess.

      Bill Ayers was a lefty and a terrorist. He felt the same way as you all do. :)

      Also, I realize that this is your blog, and I am probably out of place in saying this, but: seriously, learn to be civil. What goes around comes around.

      I will be civil when you lefty trolls stop coming here and leaving snide comments.

      What does “hate our Country” mean?

      I wouldn’t think some idiot lefty would understand that. Let me explain it to you, there lefty. Our Christian Conservative moral values. You lefty’s want anarchy, Chaos, everyone with guns, no order, no control. Deny it all you wish, but it is the truth.

      If you mean the Leviathan state in D.C., than yes, this is true. And if government truly derives from the consent of the people, how is the current government of the US “lawful”? How have I, or anyone else for that matter, consented to be taxed and regulated by a bunch of bureaucrats who don’t even know me?

      Alex Jones, Call your office!

      • Anarchy = Order; Government = Disorder. Anarchy = Peace; Government = Violence.

        People who believe the opposite are statist indoctrinated.

  7. “If you so hate this Government; which is an extension of this country; so much, why don’t you leave? Nothing is keeping you here.”

    Spoken like a true Lobsterback. If this were 1776, you would be classified as a British Loyalist.

    • Spoken like a true Lobsterback. If this were 1776, you would be classified as a British Loyalist.

      Well, thankfully, it is 2009 and the American Revolution has already been fought.

      That is my gripe with the Libertarians; right and left. It is always 1776 with them, and they’re wanting a revolution. The problem is, not one of them has the balls to pick up a gun and start a true revolution. All they can do is speak in their traditional platitudes.

      Our American system has things called elections and we can vote those who do things that we do not like. We will be having one in 2010 and another in 2012; I suspect that if Obama stimulus fails, we will be putting another party back in the white house.

      ….and that time cannot come fast enough for this Conservative, let me tell you.

  8. Well, thankfully, it is 2009 and the American Revolution has already been fought.

    Then why are you still talking like a British Loyalist? Having recognized the Revolutionary War, and America’s victory in it, you of all people should understand that outspoken dissent, and standing firm instead of fleeing, are virtuous acts. And you should recognize the virtue of those acts whether or not you agree with the goals of the person who exhibits such behavior.

    That is my gripe with the Libertarians; right and left. It is always 1776 with them, and they’re wanting a revolution. The problem is, not one of them has the balls to pick up a gun and start a true revolution.

    And yet you call on them to lay down their arms and flee their homeland like chickens whenever they hint at acquiring said balls to pick up a gun and start fighting.

    Our American system has things called elections and we can vote those who do things that we do not like.

    So you voted for Obama?

    I suspect that if Obama stimulus fails, we will be putting another party back in the white house.

    ….and that time cannot come fast enough for this Conservative, let me tell you.

    While I fully support your desire for change in the White House (and believe me I would like to implement all kinds of sweeping changes in that dusty old cottage), I feel it is my duty to remind you of the principles you exhibited in your original post. Therefore I would like to tell you that you are “free to leave” if you “don’t like it.” :)

    • Then why are you still talking like a British Loyalist? Having recognized the Revolutionary War, and America’s victory in it, you of all people should understand that outspoken dissent, and standing firm instead of fleeing, are virtuous acts. And you should recognize the virtue of those acts whether or not you agree with the goals of the person who exhibits such behavior.

      Virtue? The Virtue of saying that this Nation sucks? Many men spilled much blood, so that you have the right to even say that. You could at least realize that.

      And yet you call on them to lay down their arms and flee their homeland like chickens whenever they hint at acquiring said balls to pick up a gun and start fighting.

      I don’t encourage anyone to do anything at all; Except perhaps vote. Although, I do believe it would not be very prudent for anyone to threaten anyone in public office. Nice attempt to spin, by the way. Too bad it did not work.

      So you voted for Obama?

      No sir, I did not, I voted for Bob Barr. Barr wasn’t perfect, but he was better than the two morons running against each other in the other parties. One was a socialist, the other was socialist light. Many Libertarians did vote for him; and I am sure they are feeling “About that high” right about now. However, I do realize that Obama’s contribution to “big Government” was somewhat minor; our Government has been big and quite centralized, before he was even born. So, it is quite the mistake of scapegoating the entire Government situation on Obama.

      While I fully support your desire for change in the White House (and believe me I would like to implement all kinds of sweeping changes in that dusty old cottage), I feel it is my duty to remind you of the principles you exhibited in your original post. Therefore I would like to tell you that you are “free to leave” if you “don’t like it.”

      heh… Okay, Okay… you got me there. Truth is, I do not want anyone to leave. I, like you guys, want to see change. I just do not believe that the “outlaw” way is the wise way. I still believe in our Peaceful means of transfer of power and that we can enact change without violence or anarchy. Just me feelings. Sorry if you all disagree. But that is my convictions. :)

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