AVC: You did spend last year as a very visible target of right-wing hate because of that comment you made about teabaggers.
JG: But I donât know if itâs on anybodyâs mind. Itâs on the teabagger-type mind, but I donât know if itâs on normal peopleâs minds. Does that make sense? The teabagger thing and the right-wing thingâthey pick easy targets, and a female in the entertainment industry is low-hanging fruit. Itâs very easy to mock and marginalize people in general who are in the entertainment industry, for some reason. But then definitely thereâs the double standard and the misogyny that goes through it as well. Theyâve got no problem with Will Ferrell or Alec Baldwin or Viggo Mortensen, but they tend to take issue when a female says something. Itâs just an easier person to bully. And they just love making mountains out of molehills. Itâs just a fact. If you donât recognize the racist element in the teabag movement, youâre either dishonest, or youâve never seen the teabag movement, or heard of it, or been acquainted with it in any way.
AVC: Youâve also been called out by name and invited to tea parties by people like Deroy Murdock and other African-Americans within the Tea Partyâpeople who probably donât know you from anything elseâostensibly just so they can prove to you that there are minorities involved, so therefore they arenât racists.
JG: But not really. Theyâve put that out on their side. They have never really invited me. They claim that they have, but they really havenât. And having said that, I would never go. They will always say, âI invited so and so, and she declined,â when theyâve never gotten in touch with me. [Laughs.] But then also, a lot of the things they say I say, Iâve never said. They just make things up whole cloth. Thereâs a fake Facebook me. Thereâs a fake me Twittering. Sometimes, when it was at the height of right-wing nonsense picking on me, there would be a fake me writing letters to the editor. Just totally not even something Iâve ever said, that will then become part of the echo chamber. But they also pretend theyâve asked me lots of things theyâve never asked me.
AVC: Iâm glad you mentioned that fake Twitter account. I was wondering if you were aware of that.
JG: I am aware of it. Thereâs unfortunately nothing I can do about it.
AVC: Well, you could get your own verified Twitter account, just to get your name back.
JG: I would, but why would I do that?
AVC: Just to take it away from this guy, I guess. He has like 6,000 followers.
JG: I donât even know why somebodyâs Twittering as me. I donât understand it, and I wish that it would stop. But thereâs nothing that can be done. Itâs so terrible.
AVC: And there are some blogs that have actually quoted from it as though itâs a quote from you.
JG: Oh God! Would you do me a huge favor, and in this article please reiterate that that is not me?
AVC: Sure, although I think itâs pretty obvious when you look at it that itâs just a guy using it to promote his own Internet radio stationâlike itâll say something about teabaggers, then âOh, and I really love this radio station!â
JG: [Laughs.] I didnât know that. That is so awful. Where is his account and stuff?
AVC: Itâs just âJaneane Garofalâ without the âoâ at the end.
JG: Ah! Janeane Garofal! Thatâs so weird that somebody would do that.
AVC: Well, thatâs what happens when you donât have a web presence.
JG: I guess so! But please, like I said, if you could do me that huge favor and make it clear that thatâs not me.
AVC: You mention in your specialâand thereâs been footage of folks like Fox Newsâ Griff Jenkins doing thisâthat after the teabagger comment, people would ambush you with video cameras after your shows. Does that kind of thing still happen?
JG: Yeah, occasionally. Not as much as it used to. It used to happen quite a bit. Now itâs just every so often, and thereâs a lot of people that call in and pretend when Iâm doing a radio interview. Like, say Iâm doing stand-up in Baltimore or something, and the club sets up different press things that you do to promote the show, like a few morning-radio shows, what have you. There will be ambushes on that, where itâll be a right-wing show, but theyâll pretend that itâs not, or they pretend that they want to talk about the stand-up show. But they donât. They do a gotcha thing. Like I said, itâs just low-hanging fruit. If they were serious about their politics or had any integrity at all, they wouldnât give a shit at all about me. But since itâs just blood sport for them, and since they donât really care about issues, they do pranks on me. Or sometimes Iâll go to a town, and theyâll cancel my hotel reservations. Theyâll find out where Iâm staying and cancel it, or prank phone call the room.
AVC: Or send you a bunch of pizzas you didnât order?
JG: Itâs never been pizzas. That would be good. No, just calling and hanging up, or when I check in, they say, âOh, Miss Garofalo, we were told you canceled.â Itâs just kind of something that happens a lot, and like I said, it just shows me that theyâre not serious about it. Because why would you spend time on that if you were truly interested in honest policy or the effect politics has on society?
AVC: Last year, Lou Dobbs accused you of being hypocritical for encouraging people to protest during Bushâs administration, but then dismissing the Tea Party protests. How would you say the situations are different?
JG: First of all, Lou Dobbs is ridiculous. Secondly, there was plenty to protest for the Bush administration. Protesting the color of a manâs skin is not a worthy protest. Thatâs what the teabaggers are about. The first Tea Party protest was scheduled for Inauguration Day. So what were they upset about? Which part of the job he was doing before he even did it were they upset about? Secondly, if they claim to be upset with government corruption, government takeover, crazy spending, where were they from 2000 to 2008? Right? And why werenât they protesting the stolen elections?
And Lou Dobbs is a very anti-immigrant guy. His credibility is nil as far as Iâm concerned. Like I said, I would never join the Tea Partiers, because I donât have a problem with the color of Obamaâs skin. I donât have a problem with immigrants. You know what I mean? I do have genuine problems with policy and government corruption. Sure I do. And I speak very candidly about that, regardless of whoâs in office. But since the Tea Partiers are ridiculous, why would I urge anyone to participate with them?
AVC: One more: While you were in the thick of protesting the Iraq War, you were quoted as saying âa lot of people who like to wrap themselves in the flag, hide behind Jesus, and be aggressiveâsome of those people are not intellectual powerhouses. So thatâs why they cleave into very us-vs.-them, black-and-white visions of the world.â Do you not think calling all teabaggers âracist rednecksâ encourages its own us-vs.-them mentality?
JG: Well, I would say two things to that. First of all, âredneckâ is a state of mind, not a person. So the âracist redneckâ thing is a state of mind, not a geographical location. So I donât mean to imply that itâs just Southerners. And if you donât recognize the racist underpinnings and the emotional reactive response youâre getting from these teabaggers because we have a black president, then you are either being dishonest, or youâve never seen the teabaggers. And also, like I said, if they were so concerned with this stuff, then the year 2000 starting with the stolen election would have been a great time to present themselves. Thatâs A.
Secondly, when I talk about people wrapping themselves in the flag and hiding behind Jesusâthatâs an anti-intellectual thing to do in the political process, because legally, allegedly we have a separation between church and state. Thatâs a legal precedent thatâs never observed. When people are trying to do something thatâs not in your best interest, they will wrap it in the flag and hide behind Jesus, which is a corrupt thing to do. Iâve got no problem with religion if youâre going to use it for the good, like Gandhi or Martin Luther King. But thatâs rarely the case when it comes to politics. Itâs usually used as a con. Itâs just not an intellectual thing to do. Iâm not saying that the person is stupid. Iâm just saying that in the political process, how is it relevant? How is it relevant to what goes on in the halls of government to bring up questions of religion? Like the flag-burning nonsense the people used to divert attention from something. Or even when Obama just did the British Petroleum speech, and he did the Fishermanâs Prayer. How in the world is that relevant to anything that anybody needs to know or hear about this corporate corruption? Or about what can be done about it, or how this happened? What would be more important to know is why does Ken Salazar still have his job? I donât need to know about this prayer. [Laughs.]
Itâs an anti-intellectual pursuit, and itâs usually used as a way to pander to people to divert their attention. I donât know how else to answer you besides saying the teabaggersâdo I know every single one of them? No. Can I see that thereâs a lot of racist bullshit going on? Absolutely. Would it have been welcome to see more of these âanti-governmentâ types around after the stolen election? It would have been good to see it. I wouldnât have liked to see them with their immigrant-bashing and their stupid signs.
But let me ask you a question also: What makes you thinkâand I ask this in general, or of anybody who asks this questionâwhat makes you think the teabag movement isn’t racist?
AVC: Itâs not that I totally disagree with you, but I suppose the presence of minorities in their videos and such is their way of showing that they arenât racist.
JG: And I would say those people suffer from Stockholm syndrome. [Laughs.]
AVC: And I do worry that characterizing the entire movement as racist is dismissive enough to make it one of those âus-vs.-themâ situations that you were so against beforeâin a way that it almost hinders the argument.
JG: I donât think it does. I think what hinders the argument is when people are afraid of hurting the feelings of racists and people who are genuinelyâsome of themâout of their minds. They demand to see Obamaâs birth certificate. They claim that he wants to kill our grandparents with his health care. They want to be able to carry their guns into every public place. Why do we need to coddle these people? And in this case, I guess it is an âus-vs.-them,â in that I donât see how people who demand to see his birth certificate, and people who donât want health care, and who come armed to town-hall meetingsâthere is a distinct difference between that kind of citizen and another kind of citizen. It is technically us-vs.-them. [Laughs.] And actually, they would probably be proud as punch to say that. They seem to love to have an enemy. They love the idea of fighting against some system.
I think what actually isnât helpful is that so few people seem to be willing to really discuss this. I donât know why in this country we coddle corporate criminals, war criminals, and racists. People walk on eggshells around them, and yet they will say a word like âliberalâ as if itâs pejorative. Or somebody who wants unions or reproductive justice, they will treat them like thereâs something wrong with that person. Does that make sense? People seem to be more frightened of upsetting a war criminal or a racist and more willing to disparage a very nice guy like Dennis Kucinich. Does that make sense? They seem to feel fine picking on him for some reason, but then itâs, âOh God, donât say anything about Glenn Beck.â Or about somebody who speaks at the Tea Party conference and says veiled racist things. They donât really want to come out and point a finger at that guy, but theyâre willing to make all kinds of jokes and cavalier comments about somebody like Dennis Kucinich or Harry Reid. I donât understand why that is. But anyway, could I be any more more long-winded?
If that’s what the Democratic Party has become. I’ll never vote for them again, ever.