A bit more on the Gun Scopes and Bible Verses

Yes, I do know what I wrote here. I assumed everyone would know this, but in case not; I was referring to the Arabs who attacked us on 9/11 and those who are down with the whole idea of Jihad, not all of them.

However, I happened to read something over at a blog, of who’s author has criticized me in the past. Which, by the way, is his right to do. Anyhow, I happened to read this here and I felt the need to quote it here.

Ed Brayton writes about a message sent to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation:

To: Mikey Wenstein and MRFF:

I am a U.S. Army infantry soldier with the rank of (rank withheld). I am married with children. I am stationed at Fort (installation name withheld). I have been deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan multiple times. I have been awarded medals for direct combat engagement as well as for injuries and wounds received in hand-to-hand combat. I am a Muslim American. My family converted when I was very young. I am caucasian and have a last name that does not sound ethnic. Therefore, few of my fellow soldiers know that I am a Muslim. My wife comes from a Christian tradition but rarely practices or attends church. I have witnessed terrible religious persecution in the my (number withheld) years in the Army. Most of it comes from “angry” conservative Christians in my unit chains of command and occasionally from my fellow infantry soldiers. I am very familiar with the Trijicon ACOG gunsights and have often had them as part of my personal weapons; both my M-4 and my M-16. In my first 2 deployments I saw and experienced no incidents regarding the New Testament bible quotes that are written on the metal casing of the gun sights. Many soldiers know of them and are very confused as to why they are there and what it is supposed to mean. Everyone is worried that if they were captured in combat that the enemy would use the bible quotes against them in captivity or some other form of propaganda. As an American soldier I am ashamed that those bible quotes are on our primary weapons. As a Muslim American I am horrified. As one who swore his oath to the Constitution, I am driven to fight this Christian insanity but I know if I try to do so in a visible way that I will suffer at the hands of my military superiors. I am of low enlisted rank and can be crushed easily. I am prepared to suffer, but I am not prepared for my wife and children to suffer. So I have reached out to MRFF because there is nowhere else safe to go to try to fight this thing of disgrace. There are many other soldiers who feel as I do. Many are Protestant and Catholic and they fear reprisal just as much as I do for trying to stand up to the Christian bullies in uniform who outrank us. But if you try to fight back, you are not “asking” for trouble, YOU ARE IN TROUBLE from the start. And if you are a Muslim American, the hatred is always just below the surface and ready to explode at a moment’s notice. After the Fort Hood shootings, it was so bad, even for a low profile Muslim like me, that I had to ask MRFF for help.

Nothing in my first 2 deployments prepared me for what happened with the Trijicon ACOG gun sights during my 3rd deployment to Afghanistan. I will never forget the day it occurred. It was morning and there was a mandatory formation of several companies. A very senior NCO was yelling at us which is not that unusual. He asked a private what it was that he (the private) was holding in his hand and the private said it was his “weapon” several times to which the senior NCO replied “and what ELSE is it”? FInally, the senior NCO said that the private’s rifle was also something else; that because of the biblical quote on the ACOG gunsight it had been “spiritually transformed into the Fire Arm of Jesus Christ” and that we would be expected to kill every “haji” we could find with it. He said that if we were to run out of ammo, then the rifle would become the “spiritually transformed club of Jesus Christ” and that we should “bust open the head of every haji we find with it.” He said that Uncle Sam had seen fit not to give us a “pussy ‘Jewzzi’ (combination of the word ‘Jew’ and Israeli made weapon ‘Uzi’) but the “fire arm of Jesus Christ” and made specific mention of the biblical quotes on our gun sights. He said that the enemy no doubt had quotes from the Koran on their guns but that “our Lord is bigger than theirs because theirs is a fraud and an idol”. As a Muslim and an American soldier I was fit to be tied but I kept it in. There were many Afghans, both civilian and military, on base within earshot of what was being yelled at us and I can only wonder in shock what they must have thought. This senior NCO was apparently also the head person of a conservative, crazy Christian group called the “Christian Military Fellowship” and made a big deal about the importance of joining to everyone. He told us all that we MUST read a book called “Under Orders” in order to make it through this combat deployment and said he had many copies for everyone. Some of my friends went and got their copies. I refused. Finally, this senior NCO ended his yelling by warning us that if we did not “get right with Jesus” then our rifles would not provide spiritual strength despite the bible quotes on our ACOG gunsights and that we would be considered “spiritual cripples” to our fellow units and soldiers. He didn’t say it in so many words, but the message was clear; if anything bad happened in a combat situation, it would be the fault of anyone who had not accepted Jesus Chris in the “right way”. I have never felt so ashamed and scared in my life. I have never hated myself so much for not speaking out. So I thought of my wife and children and endured. Every time I looked at my rifle with that Trijicon ACOG gunsight/scope with the biblical quote from the book of John (8:12), it would make me sick. If I had tried to protest, it would have made me dead. And if I’m dead I’m of no use to my wife and children.

To which Ed adds:

I’m at a loss for words. “Appalling” seems inadequate.

Now, I realize that what I wrote at the other posting was a bit rough, okay? For the most part, I was being quite snarky. Further more, I was referring to the Arabs who are in the arena of Jihad against America. Yes, I do believe that this a war of ideals and yes, it does happen to involve “Christian Americans” (Not in the sense of CHURCH per se, but rather of culture and ideals.) However, as someone that does believe quite highly in the SEPARATION of Church and State —– Yes, I do realize that the actual wording is not found in the Constitution, however, our founding fathers did believe in it and the concept is there. In fact, Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptists the following:

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

Thomas Jefferson believed that, and so do I. Therefore, I believe, on constitutional grounds that these sights with the scriptures on them should be removed. We must remember that there are AMERICANS fighting this war on terror, not just Christian Americans; but Muslim Americans, Jewish Americans, and Americans of ALL Faiths are fighting against a backward ideology that seeks to destroy our Country.

I realize that some Christians and some Conservatives will not agree with me and might even accuse me of being a phony for writing this. But, Hey, it is the price one must pay to stand for something that is absolutely right.

So, to Ed Brayton, I say this, you might not like me one bit and that is your right. But this time, you are absolutely correct.

9 Replies to “A bit more on the Gun Scopes and Bible Verses”

  1. I dont understand. My search of google shows that it merely has COR1:1 or something like that. I would of never known it means Corinthians 1:1 until I did this research. I don’t want to offend anyone but do Muslims read the Bible? I’m sorry but I don’t read the Koran or the Book of Mormons or Bhagavad-Gita or Tripitaka. If they coded their products, ammo, guns, swords, knives, canteens, would you really care?

    1. Cathy,

      I see your point. BUT, Bush did state, much to his credit, that this was never supposed to be a war of Religion. So, I am afraid that my answer is, Yes I would care. The Terrorists are doing what they are doing, which is basically terrorism in the name of Allah. We are doing what we are doing in this war on terror in the name of Freedom, Democracy and in defense of our Republic.

      So, having Bible Scriptures on Gun Sights is a violation of that principle. Hence my retraction of my previous statement and my agreeing with Ed Brayton.

  2. But they don’t have a scripture, it’s a code. If I’m a manufacturer of anything, are you saying I can’t create my product class code schemes anyway that I want to? That’s not freedom for me as a manufacturer is it?

    1. Not if what you are putting on your guns violates The United States Military code which basically says, “Leave your Religion and politics at the door please…” There is a place for Religion in the Armed Forces. Just not on our combat equipment.

  3. Sorry, I’m not familiar with the US Military code. But is it this and it ‘must be kept out of anything related to the Armed Forces’ the reason why I’ve seen that some are attacking the use of crosses at Arlington Cemetery? http://www.moaablogs.org/battleofthebilge/2009/07/aclu_military_headstones_crosses/

    And the fight in the Mohave Desert http://www.christianpost.com/article/20091008/high-court-hears-arguments-over-mojave-desert-cross/index.html

    (the links above where just what come up on google when I searched for the issues… I’m sure there are better articles on them…)

    I obviously need to do more research because for me this opens a whole new can of worms…. very, very heavy sigh….

    1. Cathy, it is one thing to be fighting against public displays of religion. I do not support that nonsense at all. But, having Bible scripture references on Military weapons is not only Constitutionally wrong, it is morally wrong as well. It gives the impression that our Military is a Religious Army, or an “Army of God”. Which it is not, nor has it ever been. Our army is a branch of the United States Government; nothing more, nothing less…. and those who want to try and proselyte Soldiers or attempt to Christianize our Armed Forces should be stopped. Because it feeds Al-Qaeda’s propaganda that the US is fighting a Religious war against them.

      Are we clear now?

  4. Patrick, we were clear before my friend.

    And I understand the arguments. I understand Bush’s need to not make it appear in any way shape or form a religious war even though, or especially because, our enemy considers it one. I understand the reasons for his good intentions…..

    But all that I was saying is — I wonder if the “change” in the US Military code is what sparked the other issues….. because both of these issues have only come up within the last few years. Is it Bush’s change to the code that precipitated these events at home?

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